Andrea: We want the one size fits all. So we embrace, I always joke, like which jeans work for our body? Which half size bra we want, how soft or hard we want our bed compared to our partner on the other side and the temperatures can now change. The soft and hardness can change. We have our individualized Spotify accounts, but for some reason when it comes to health, we want this one size fits all prescription and we want it now.
And like I said, I get it. I get that yes, we want to feel better, but it usually took us a lifetime to be experiencing what we’re experiencing in this moment. And that recognition is what helps us to reverse or nourish ourselves towards feeling as best as we can possibly feel.
Nancy: Welcome to Your Permission Prescription. I’m Nancy Levin, founder of Levin Life Coach Academy, bestselling author, master life coach, and your host. I train life coaches, aspiring coaches, and anyone who wants to add coaching skills to their current career to elevate their life and their business. I’ve coached thousands of people to live life on their own terms, and now I coach, train, and certify other coaches to do the same.
If you are ready to give yourself permission to finally make yourself a priority and mobilize your vision, you are in the right place. Let’s dive in.
Nancy: Welcome back to another episode of your Permission prescription. I am so delighted to be joined by my guest today, Andrea Nakayama. As the host of the 15 Minute Matrix podcast and the founder of Functional Nutrition Alliance, Andrea is leading thousands of students and practitioners around the globe in a revolution to offer better solutions to the growing chronic illness epidemic. By highlighting the importance of systems biology, root cause methodology, and therapeutic partnerships, she helps historically underserved individuals reclaim ownership of their health.
Welcome, Andrea.
Andrea: Nancy, I’m so excited to be here with you. Thank you for having me.
Nancy: I’m so excited to be here with you too. And I’ll just let everyone listening know that before we started recording, we were kind of just geeking out together ’cause we already feel like we’re long lost sisters.
Andrea. Sisters.
Nancy: I know. I feel it. Totally. I totally, totally feel it. I felt it the minute I saw you before I even heard you say a thing. So I’m delighted you’re here and I’m really looking forward to our conversation.
And diving into you, you have a really extraordinary story of your journey, of how you got to where you are now and what led you into this particular area of interest and expertise. And I’d love you to share it with the listeners.
Nancy: Yeah, thank you for asking. And I think it’s a real story of permission, which I think is appropriate because this is a second career for me. I had a very different career, I worked in book publishing like you, and in April of 2000, my late husband Isamu was diagnosed with a very aggressive brain tumor, a brain tumor called a glioblastoma multiforme. And at the time I was seven weeks pregnant with our first and only child.
So this was kind of a rude awakening. We were thrust into the medical system in ways that we hadn’t experienced before. So you know, we had maybe gone to the doctor for a headache or a sinus infection or a broken toe, but never really immersed in the system in the way we were then.
And so that woke me up to a number of things. It woke me up to the realities of having a chronic illness, of how someone is treated with a chronic illness, of how they are looked at in terms of just their diagnosis. So he was at the age of 31, a walking brain tumor, not a young man who was about to be a father and was a software developer and a musician and an avid reader and a brother and a son and a, none of that mattered.
And that was really surprising to me and so that time period, the two and a half years that he lived, which I just wanna say was a gift ’cause he was given six months to live, so he wasn’t expected to see our son born. That two and a half years was really a bootcamp for me in terms of taking a passion that I already had for food and cooking and transforming that into something that could feed and fuel his body through various treatments, my own body, the body of a growing fetus, and how we could bring nourishment into our worlds in a whole new way.
Of course, I wasn’t a practitioner at that point, that came later when I had to give myself another form of permission. But that really was that first initial deep dive into taking something that was sort of a passion and putting a lot more purpose behind it.
Nancy: Mm. And so you sort of touched on what it took to translate this into the evolution of your career. I’m curious what that process was like for you.
Andrea: Yeah, I love talking about this ’cause it’s not something I get to talk about as much. And that passion and purpose really was looking at nutrition through a different lens. So I wasn’t just looking at delicious food and feeding my community, which we love to have dinner parties, we lived in the Bay Area at the time, we shopped at the farmer’s markets. We’d have these elaborate dinner parties with our friends that were themed.
And I was able to take that and look at how do foods feed or not feed cancer growth? How do foods support the immune system? How do foods support energy? What are all the things we’re trying to do? And I started to think through a lens that I now see as more functional, of course I didn’t know then what I know now, but I was looking at food through a different lens and doing a lot of research.
And my late husband Isamu was very much wanting the research. He would say like, if we’re gonna make a change, show me why. And I would say, look, sugar, refined sugar feeds cancer growth. Here’s how, here’s what it says. And then I was figuring out, but wait, he has a sweet tooth. How do I feed the sweet tooth without feeding the cancer?
So I was starting to do this work. It wasn’t until after Isamu died and a friend of mine who is a naturopathic physician was diagnosed with colon cancer. And I found myself doing my research thing again and putting the pieces together and thinking through like what do we need to do to help her heal from her surgery?
And I kept shutting myself down. Oh wait a minute, she’s a naturopath. I have a friend group of naturopathic physicians, they don’t need me. I’m just this person who likes to cook and make healthy food. But she actually came to me and said, everybody’s gonna feed the family, will you feed me after surgery? And that was a first step to say, this is what I’m passionate about and maybe I need to take a leap, put myself back through school, leave a successful career even as a single parent and the only breadwinner and make this my purpose.
So it was that process, yYears going back to school, Nancy, because I have a degree, I have a BFA, I have a degree in fine art. So I didn’t do any of the sciences. I had to do years of working and school at night while being a single parent. Lots of years of building towards a new career. But, and I have a Five P model that has permission as number two “P”. But that purpose, which is at the heart of my Five P model, is what was driving me through those leaps and bounds that I had to go through to say, there’s more here that I wanna do in the world.
Nancy: Oh my goodness. I mean, I so resonate with that from my own journey of leaving my successful corporate position to go out on my own, to pursue my passion and pursue what is purposeful and meaningful for me. So I resonate and I admire the tenacity that it must have taken for you to do that at that particular time.
AndreaL Thank you and right back at you. And all of us who have to take these leaps that feel impossible. But I think that it’s the purpose that helps us get there.
Nancy: I agree. So now I’m curious about the other “P”s in your Five P process.
Andrea: I love these five Ps and I think you’ll resonate with them. So I always start with Passion because I think our passion is what is that first spark. Then it’s Permission. We have to give ourselves permission to take a leap to do something uncomfortable without that permission. And we have to give it to ourselves, right? We are not gonna do anything at the center of my five P’s is Purpose. And I think that purpose is what makes our passion bigger than us because we will get in our own way in terms of making our dreams happen, but the purpose says this thing is bigger than me. All these things where I can’t, I’m not good enough, this isn’t gonna be, who’s gonna listen to me. It’s purpose that says this thing outside of me is bigger. I have to do it for this. It’s not about me. This is not about me. I am service to something.
And then the last two “P”s are persistence and perseverance. So the persistence is just being regular with what you do. Show up regularly, show up for this purpose regularly. And the perseverance is you’re gonna trip, you’re gonna fall, you get back up and do it again.
You and I have fallen many times to get to where we are. People think it’s this straight line, but the road from A to B is never a straight line and we learn from those mistakes. So that regularity and then that recognition that it’s not gonna always feel or be the way we want it to be. Notice perfection is not one of my “P”s.
Nancy: I’m so happy it’s not. So for everyone listening I’d really love for you to talk about functional medicine and functional nutrition. How they are synergistic, how they are different? Really, I suppose defining the terms but also the practicality of them.
Andrea: Yes. Yeah. I love this question ’cause I think that the terms have gotten a little bit misused in our current day culture as they gain more popularity.
So I always like to say, and you said this in my intro, the three primary tenets of a functional practice are a therapeutic partnership, meaning there’s two experts in the room at one time and we as patients are the expert in ourselves. And so we have to show up with that expertise, looking for those roots.
So we’re saying why are we making these changes? Not just what do we do, there’s a lot of what do we do out there ,quick fixes, the what’s not the why’s, and then the systems biology. So that’s under understanding that everything in the body is connected. So my mantra is everything is connected, we are all unique and all things matter, and all the tools and systems I’ve built for clinical care are based on that approach.
So systems biology helps us understand the guts connected to the brain. The hormones are connected to the liver and detoxification, which are connected to the gut. We understand that that complexity in the body is not about one thing apart from another. We’re not a bunch of ologies, right? Psychology, gastroenterology, rheumatology, it’s all connected in there.
So the difference then between taking those tenets and applying them to functional medicine versus functional nutrition comes down to the tools in our toolbox.
So functional medicine practitioners are still medical practitioners. They are still prescribing, diagnosing, working. They may pay heed to the differences that diet and lifestyle modification make, but they’re not trained in diet and lifestyle modification. And they’re not trained to sit with an individual through those changes.
As an example, a functional medicine Doctor may work with somebody who’s pre-diabetic and say, look, I’ve read about a ketogenic diet, you should go on a ketogenic diet and intermittent fast. A functional nutrition counselor is gonna say, wait a minute, this person has a history of disordered eating, they have adrenal issues, how do we slow the role here and actually work with the individual to implement dietary and lifestyle modifications in a way that’s not just a handout or a prescription?
Especially for women, our bodies, our food decisions, our histories with food, they’re complicated. And in order to have sustainable results that partner with your dietary parameters that are working for you in this moment in time and your lifestyle changes, that is a process. And that’s where a functional nutrition counselor or functional nutrition is going to spend more time uncovering what’s right for that individual as opposed to here’s the prescription, oh, and by the way, here’s a handout with your diet.
Nancy: Right. Yeah. I mean, in what you’re sharing, what comes across loud and clear to me is that functional nutrition is really about serving the person, not the diagnosis or the disease, but it’s really serving, it’s holistic. It’s serving the person as a whole.
Andrea: Exactly. And I’m gonna say it should be, It isn’t always because it has an array, right? And that’s where I call it the three roots in the many branches. So any sign, symptom or diagnosis that we may be experiencing is a branch, it’s not the root. And people are going to look for the root these days in a test or in an expert. And those are not what the roots are and the roots live in soil and when we nourish the soil, we shift the expression of the roots.
So as functional nutrition counselors, when we nourish the soil, we actually are doing the work that we’re trying to do. We’re just doing it more sustainably and in the ways we can have more agency and ownership at home.
Nancy: Just that piece alone is revolutionary. And what you were saying, it is true, we’re looking for the root. We’re looking for the one thing and the idea that it is the many roots, you know, the many branches and it’s, and the soil being everything that we are alive in, swimming in everything that’s occurring around us. It’s definitely the way that I have always related to my own experience. Maybe not so much my physical health, but it’s definitely how I’ve related to the way I operate in the world.
So I’m also even just seeing for myself that it’s, even though you just said it’s hard, but it’s not that far of a shift or it’s not that far of a jump to move into, oh, what if I actually began treating my body from this perspective?
Andrea: Yes, I think we would all be much better served. And what is hard is that we want the quick fix and I don’t fault anybody for that. If something’s hurt, if we’re not getting better, of course we wish there was an easy fix. And if there is, I’m gonna say go for it.
The problem we’re seeing more and more for people, and I think the last few years have really illuminated this, is that there are more chronic issues that people are experiencing where they are sick and not getting better. Our medical system doesn’t know how to address chronic issues and we need a new way of thinking that enables patients to be more empowered in their every day and allows us to achieve more sustainable results.
And so again, I always say there are three roots. There are always three roots with any chronic health condition. The branches are many, any signs, symptom or diagnosis you can name for yourself and then you can talk about those three roots. But in keeping with the principles that Stephen Covey illuminated with the Circle of Influence, for me, those roots live with a circle of influence, which is that soil. And when we identify, which I have done for those three roots, what that circle of influence is, we actually can make a difference and not jump to what we think is gonna be the fix and potentially create more harm than good for a number of reasons.
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Nancy: My mind is going in so many different directions. First, I’m curious if you can share a bit about your son’s experience growing up with you as a mother.
Andrea: I love that. My son is 22, he just graduated from college. So his lifespan, he doesn’t remember his dad who died when he was 19 months old so it’s really been, I don’t wanna call it a marriage ’cause that sounds weird, but we’ve been a twosome living together and influencing each other. And he’s an amazing human. I really appreciate who he is and have so much respect for him.
And I feel honored that he has respect for me. And as he’s entering the job market, he said to me the other day, it’s funny, I thought all adults were like you ’cause you’re all, I’ve had exposure to like that intimately. And when as I work with these other adults, they’re not really like you. They don’t necessarily get things done in the same way or have a goal and aim for it. I feel really fortunate that he’s the one I got. If I got one person, i’m fortunate that it was him, I hope he feels the same way.
Nutrition was our religion in a way, but I don’t feel like it was restrictive for him. I feel like he learned to love food, like I said, he is a 22 year old man living alone. He cooks every day for himself, he loves his food, he honors food, he knows which foods don’t work for him, so he doesn’t eat gluten because it makes him feel really tired and foggy brained.
So if something’s cross-contaminated, he’s like, whatever. Which I wouldn’t be personally because I have Hashimoto’s and it helps me not to eat gluten, but he’s learned to find his way and I have to step back and respect what he’s doing. And I do have respect for him. So I don’t know what it’s like for him, but you can tell as I talk about him, I’m proud of him. I appreciate him and I feel honored that I feel like he’s proud of me too.
Nancy: Hmm, That’s beautiful. Yeah. I’m gonna share something that I had no idea I was going to share, but it seems to really sort of fit in with what we’re talking about.
Earlier this year, my mother, who’s 83, gonna be 84 in a couple of days, was diagnosed with breast cancer, at her routine mammogram. And she made the choice to have her breast removed and full support for her, of course. I was there with her for six weeks doing all the things with her and for her and her doctor, her surgical oncologist sat with me and my sister and just said, now that your mother has had cancer, you know you’re in a higher risk category.
And she said, I wanna sort, there’s some computer program that she could run things.
Andrea: Yeah.
Nancy:. So she asked us each questions, but I’ll speak about myself. So my mother has now had cancer, I’ve never been pregnant and I’m 100% Ashkenazi, which I had no idea had anything to do with anything cancer wise, but I have now learned. So how old are you in your first period? You know, I was 11. So like all these markers put me in this high risk category now for cancer, primarily breast and ovarian being the Ashkenazi.
So she said, I want you to go get genetic testing and it’s interesting because I’m the kind of person who, like I know people who go to the doctor if they have a hangnail, I need a limb to be dangling by like one string to go to the doctor. So it was really fascinating for me to voluntarily go to the doctor and do this genetic testing, which I’m still waiting on results for. It takes a very long time, evidently, but I’m also in this process, like I don’t feel worried. I also don’t feel, but I’m not a worrier by nature in that way, and I’m also like, whatever result comes back, what am I actually going to do?
Andrea: Well, let me talk about the three roots, because that helps you.
Nancy: Yes.
Andrea: Yeah. Well, I’m sorry about your mom’s diagnosis and lovely that you and your sister could be there and create a circle around her through those transitions.
Nancy: Yes.
Andrea: So when I said there were three roots and many branches, you know, breast cancer would be a branch and my Hashimoto’s would be a branch. The three roots are the genes, digestion and inflammation. We can’t change our genes, but we can influence our genes.
So the Circle of Influence around our genes are the epigenetic factors, the factors that bathe our genes, and those are food, movement, environment, and mindset. So whether or not you have the gene that says you’re at a higher risk doesn’t tell us anything. It just tells us that you have a gene that puts you at a higher risk. It doesn’t tell us the outcome. And so we confuse a lot of times our genes with a determined factor when we actually have the ability to influence the expression of those genes. No promises, but we do influence the expression of those genes.
So the three roots are the genes, digestion, which is where food meets physiology. We want it to get where it needs to go and do its thing. Food is not medicine if digestion can’t break it down and receive it at the cellular level and inflammation, which is our biggie.
Each of those has its own circle of influence and if we’re nourishing that soil and that circle of influence for each of those roots, we do change the expression, or the occurrence of those branches. So again, no promises, but we do have an opportunity to shift the possibilities and we do the best we can.
Nancy: I think this is, again, I mean I’m using sort of dramatic language, but I also think this is revolutionary. I think that we as a whole are very slow to adopt this outlook.
Andrea: Yes. Well it’s not sexy, right? Like it’s just not sexy.
Nancy: Right. Whereas even just the time we’re in now, or generationally, my mother, even at the age she was and her doctor said if she wasn’t as healthy as she was, she wouldn’t have recommended the surgery. But the other option was, don’t have the surgery, get four mammograms a year and take a pill every day. My mother is of the nature of, I’m gonna take care of this, the way I’m supposed to not this other way. And she’s of the mindset, well she’s a worrier, so she would wake up every single day worrying. So the choice for her was right.
Andrea: Yes.
Nancy: And again, I don’t know what I’m looking at in terms of a result, but I appreciate what you share about, because really what it’s doing is it’s bringing in our own empowerment and responsibility, which I appreciate. And it’s bringing in choice and it’s bringing in other ways to work with our own health that is in alignment with ourselves as opposed to, like you said, a cookie cutter handout of, oh, you have this, here’s what you do.
Andrea: Exactly. And if that genetic testing comes back and tells you that you have a gene, like a BRACA gene that puts you at a higher risk, it doesn’t tell you anything other than that you’re at a higher risk.
Nancy: That’s right.
Andrea: Right. Just like living in New York City might give you a higher risk to being exposed to air pollution, right? Like anything that puts us at a higher risk puts us at a higher risk period, the end. It doesn’t determine the outcome and so that then allows you to think, oh, I’m at this higher risk because of these factors. So therefore, what do I choose to do?
And my mom is also, she’s 84 and a worrier, and she needs me to look at her labs as soon as they come into the portal. I joke that I have all the mom’s portal information, like at my fingertips.
Nancy: Right.
Andrea: My boyfriend’s mom, my mother-in-law, like just all the mom’s portals. So she wants me to look at them because she’s nervous about what it will say in her labs. She has better labs than like most of the people I actually see because she’s been working really hard and listens to me to take care of herself. It doesn’t mean things don’t happen, but it means we’re managing them and that’s what health is. It’s not an all better now band-aid approach, it’s a journey, especially as we age.
Nancy: That’s a really important point too. You know, I was thinking about this sort of correlation in my deep dive on you, this sort of self-help and self health and the relationship between these two pieces. And I think in some ways we’re sort of trained or conditioned to think about health as “better”. Like “all better”, let’s say it that way. Like, you know, like fixed, all better. Whereas I think we’re used to thinking about self-help in a continuum or that it’s an evolutionary process.
It’s not from here to there, but we’re used to thinking about health. Like, okay, I’m all better now.
AndreaL Yes.
Nancy: So yeah, I’m curious what you have to say about that.
Andrea: Well, I think it’s a really good point and it’s sort of like what you’re pointing to is like the journey to enlightenment, right? That’s a journey we don’t expect, I’m gonna start meditating and then it’s all rainbows and unicorns in my mind, right? We recognize I’m embarking on this journey and health is an everyday act all between your doctor’s visits and choices, risk reward, all the time. We’re always making a choice, risk reward. And understanding that risk reward I think is part of the equation, which is very internal.
So the concept of interception helps us to tune in to what’s going on internally. And that can be really cloudy as well. I ask people like, what’s your gut feeling tell you? Or what makes you feel better and what makes you feel worse? And they may not know ’cause they’re chronically in pain. So that journey may need to start with just getting in tune with how your body responds to things, so it is a journey. I think health and healthcare are very, very individualized for a number of reasons, or should be in the way we approach it. And for some reason, like you said, we want the one size fits all. So we embrace, I always joke like which genes work for our body, which half size bra we want, how soft or hard we want our bed compared to our partner on the other side and the temperatures can now change, the soft and hardness can change. We have our individualized Spotify accounts, but for some reason when it comes to health, we want this one size fits all prescription and we want it now.
And like I said, I get it, I get that yes, we want to feel better, but it usually took us a lifetime to be experiencing what we’re experiencing in this moment, and that recognition is what helps us to reverse or nourish ourselves towards feeling as best as we can possibly feel.
Nancy: Yes. Wow. It’s intriguing to look at it from that perspective of the ways in which we express our preferences and the ways in which we will meet our own needs in other areas.
And yet we tend to give away our power when it comes to our health.
Andrea: Yeah. It’s a really good way of putting it.
Nancy: Yeah.
AndreaL That’s a really, really good way of putting it. We’re giving away that power. And as much as I put this message out there, I have to recognize that it’s probably only for the person who’s sick and not getting better, who has tried things and hasn’t found resolution.
And the truth is, as we age that 80/20 goes to 20/80, right? Like as women go through perimenopause and menopause, those percentages really shift because we start to experience like, wait a minute, what I used to do doesn’t work for me anymore.
Nancy: Right.
Andrea: And so, right. I think that it’s unfortunately a growing population of people who are sick and not getting better, meaning they have some sort of underlying chronic condition, but it’s still not the zeitgeist and how we wanna thank and social media and social channels.
Nancy: Yeah. None of it’s any help promote.
Andrea: Yeah. That there is a quick fix and this way to do it and whether it’s bone broth or this type of magnesium or whatever it is, we want to believe so badly that that’s the answer. And it’s we’re like really complicated in there. Beautifully complicated.
Nancy: Yeah. But I think, I mean, what I’m about to say, it sounds corny in my brain, but I’m gonna say it anyway, but part of it is that we have to be willing to address our own health, like the singular fingerprint that we are as opposed to being like everyone else who has this thing.
Andrea: Exactly. Yes. In science, this is called the N of one end of one. You’re an experiment of one, right?
Nancy: I love that. Yeah.
Andrea: So really understanding how do I embrace this journey that is mine and throwing away the prescription. So even if this diet or that supplement or that test worked for that influencer who happens to have the same diagnosis that you have, the name of a diagnosis is the tipping point, to borrow from Malcolm Gladwell, is just a confluence of a lot of things that led to one name.
We got there for different reasons. We have different underlying factors that led to the same physiological response that got that name, but we got there for different reasons. And so we have to back it up and get to those reasons, thinking through those three roots to nourish ourselves back towards health.
Nancy: Hmm. I literally feel like I could talk to you all day long and I could talk to you about 1 million things because now I’m like, so much of this I’m sure leads back to the patriarchy, so much of this leads like there’s so many directions for sure to go.
Andrea: We need a summit.
Nancy: I Know. Exactly. I so appreciate our conversation. I am so grateful that you followed your heart and took the leap to pursue your passion and your purpose. And I personally have found what you’ve shared today so potent and I trust our listeners have as well.
Andrea: Hmm. Thank you Nancy, and right back at you. And thank you for bringing forward really intriguing questions to have a thoughtful and deep conversation. I appreciate that.
Nancy: Thank you. So first I wanna ask you, I know we’ve talked about permission already a bit, but I would love to just have you offer the listeners something that you encourage them to give themselves permission for.
Andrea: Hmm. Yeah, I think that we all need permission, but ultimately we have to give ourselves permission. And my message is to find the things that give you spark, in functional medicine and functional nutrition we call these in relation to your health, your mediators. These are the things you know help you feel better or make you feel worse.
So if there are things that you know help you feel better, whether that’s going to sleep at 9:30 or eating a breakfast of oatmeal that you feel like you’re not supposed to eat because people are intermittent fasting these days or whatever it is.
If there are things that you know help you feel better, give yourself permission to acknowledge those and embrace them. And that’s what I think starts to nourish the whole terrain that gets us on the way to feeling and performing better.
Nancy: I love this. And it leads me to one more question I wanna ask you before we are on our way. I always like to hear about people’s non-negotiables and rituals and really those, you know, the things that you do for you because they do have you feel better or just be better in the world?
Andrea: Yes, I have many.
Nancy: Yep, Me too.
Andrea: I’m had to assemble a lot through all I’ve been through. My bedtime is a non-negotiable, so I really, really need to honor my bedtime before 10:00 PM is a non-negotiable for me to be able to function. There is hydration and there are foods that I don’t eat because they don’t allow me to feel my best. And I wanna show up feeling my best and being on every day so I can serve my community and my students.
But the other thing I’m gonna add to that is how I spend my free time, because it’s not just about my diet, quote unquote and my lifestyle. It’s about listening to podcasts and engaging with story and being in nature and having time with my partner and being able to do things outdoors with him. So really honoring, these are the things that feed and fuel me. I’m a podcast junkie and it ranges what I listen to is mostly story, it’s not health.
Nancy: Mm.
AndreaL Because story feeds and fuels me. So making sure I get a dose of a story every day that helps me to be present. And so it’s a non-negotiable for me.
Nancy: Mm. Thank you for sharing that.
And finally, where is the best place for our listeners to find you?
Andrea: Thank you for asking. So Andrea Nakayama, all the places on the web, on Instagram, on LinkedIn. So andrea nakayama.com will lead you to my current writing and anything I’m doing that is more patient-focused in a thinking way. And then that also leads back to the podcast and my training for practitioners so everything can be reached through those portals.
Nancy: Andrea, thank you so much for being here.
Andrea: Thank you. I just made new best friend I feel.
Nancy: I literally feel the same way. I’m like totally geeking out because this is not, this is actually a rare occurrence for me. I’m really like a hermit and I’m really sort of, I’m very picky and choosy about my people, but I just, you’re my people.
Andrea: I feel the same. Nancy, it’s super fun. Thank you.
Nancy: It’s wonderful. Thank you for being here and I’ll be back with all of you again next week.
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